James H. Kippenhahn ([info]frankencow) wrote,
@ 2009-03-05 16:28:00
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I am not very proud of my Church today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7926694.stm

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[info]tweelore
2009-03-06 12:44 am UTC (link)
harsh.

I thought it was ok if the mother's life was in danger and whatnot. I mean too-young, too many babies, incest-- this sounds like some kind of worst case scenario trifecta, I can't believe the reaction.

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[info]jesusfreak84
2009-03-06 02:53 am UTC (link)
The Excommunication is automatic from the 1983 Code of Canon Law. The Bishop didn't have to say a thing.

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[info]crazy_dewmaster
2009-03-06 04:25 am UTC (link)
For my part, I've also checked the Catechism and it complements Janet's statement.

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[info]sisterallie35
2009-03-06 05:52 am UTC (link)
Oh, good ol' latæ sententiæ excommunications. It's funny when people deny those things as if they had control over whether or not it applies to them. Very funnyz and sad.

As a kinda non sequitur, I like it when certain groups like the RC "womyn prysts" actually write a snarkily polite press release in which they "reject" the excommunication as if it were something they could freely reject. Oye vey.

But yeah, the only conditions in which abortion would be "permissible" would be in the case that the mother's life was in imminent danger. Of course, then we have saints like Saint Gianna who make the sacrifice but yeah.

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[info]dingoesquire
2009-03-07 12:43 am UTC (link)
A couple of things that both "sides" should probably keep in mind.

1) The abortion may have actually been ordered by the court (which is why there was automatic excommunication)
2) The girl's life was considered in danger (which is why it may have been morally permissible, had it been a decision left up to the girl)

And I'm left wondering why the outrage is at the Church... and not the failure of this girls parents to protect their child.

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[info]perla_diautunno
2009-03-16 02:18 pm UTC (link)
I'd have to agree with you on that, Ben; the mom should be questioned (and maybe have the children taken away from her) for not noticing for three years the harm done to her kid - irregardless of this whole excommunication argument, that little girl, whether she would have lived or died from the pregnancy, is forever scared.

The step-dad should be castrated.

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[info]crazy_dewmaster
2009-03-07 02:51 am UTC (link)
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09030601.html
Actually, the girl's life was said not to be in danger. Check this article, it seems that BBC tellingly left out an important detail: "Although doctors at the hospital where the girl was initially admitted, Imip, reportedly said that her life was not in danger, her mother reportedly transferred her to another hospital, Cisam, that was willing to do the abortion, which is not penalized under Brazilian law because the girl was raped."

I KNEW there was more to the story!

Also, according to the Vatican's 1974 Declaration on Procured Abortion, check paragraph 14; even the imminent death of the mother does not excuse an intentionally procured abortion. There are no exceptions:
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19741118_declaration-abortion_en.html

...It may be a serious question of health, sometimes of life or death, for the mother; it may be the burden represented by an additional child, especially if there are good reasons to fear that the child will be abnormal or retarded; it may be the importance attributed in different classes of society to considerations of honor or dishonor, of loss of social standing, and so forth. We proclaim only that none of these reasons can ever objectively confer the right to dispose of another's life, even when that life is only beginning.

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